Kind of panic sets in, I guess, and that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. And thus the decision from which all else followed. -, "To give you an idea how powerful it is, I'll just say that there was a lot of audible sobbing during the credits.and the first question in the Q&A started like this: "First of all, holy crap. The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. If I, just kill her, Zachary will be safe. I'm absolutely sure. Thought, you know, `Who would want to kill him?'. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. They are prophecies. I couldn't see the point anymore. On a shelf in the California home of David and Kate Bagby, sitting inconspicuously among some lovely china, are two urns. 2015 - 20153 . He said, `What do you mean?' The reason we go through the lawyers is so that we. We urge you to write your MP (if you're Canadian) or the Attorney General of Canada (if you're not) in support of MP Andrews' bill; the next few months are a crucial time. Mr. BAGBY: Yes. The apparent culprit was a woman named Shirley Turner, whom Bagby had dated but had broken up with on November 4th, in Latrobe, just before putting her on a plane to Council Bluffs, Iowa, where she lived at the time. HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. When police interviewed the hospital staff Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Well, you don't have to look far.' This is where the foreshadowed bureaucracy comes back. If you didnt realize the importance of that, Kuenne mutes the film to let you process it. Blu-Ray | DVD, BLU-RAY December 10, 2007: "Kurt Kuenne has crafted a documentary that began as a legacy of a friend in the form of a letter to that friend's child, and that is powerful enough to endure as legend. So he came straight for me. `You gave me a lovely son, and now it's over.'. The only thing about his life that didn't make sense to some friends and family was his relationship with that doctor from Newfoundland, the one he'd started dating when going to medical school there. KATE: I had a great childhood. The memory of that visit is of a crying Zachary being taken away from them. Shortly after his death, she fled to Canada and settled back in St. Johns. Mr. SHEARS: I can remember being really upset and pissed off about that, happening because I had--I had friends here, and I had no time to tell anybody, basically why. By refusing to become the thing they hate, they provide a profound lesson on the power of love and the courage to survive the unthinkable." Do you feel all right about putting, MORRISON: Safe and warm inside the Bagby house, as the gales of a, Newfoundland winter raged outside, the inevitable happened. A Kate Bagby is an Advisory Member at Mothers Against Murder based in Los Altos, California. Photo courtesy of David and Kathleen Bagby, dear zachary a letter to a son about his father, Defector Freelancer Policies, Created In Partnership With The National Writers Union. Bagbys wondered if there might ever be an extradition hearing. It then played SXSW in Austin, Texas, where it left audiences stunned and in tears. Purchase the album on: Amazon (Physical CD) iTunes Amazon MP3, DAVID BAGBY'S "DANCE WITH THE DEVIL" RETURNS TO PAPERBACK AND E-BOOK, After four years of being out of print, David Bagby's book "Dance with the Devil" (Andrew Bagby's father's powerful memoir of the events depicted in "Dear Zachary") is finally available in paperback and e-book. I just want to get through medical school.'. The Bagbys couldn't have been happier, particularly since. We thought of him as a hostage, said David. Turner, the daughter of a U.S. serviceman and a woman from St. Anthony, met Andrew while they were attending medical school at Memorial University in St. Johns. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. The full hour will not be available online. he was fussy at all. They recorded them. murderer in check. MORRISON: What thought or feeling did that give you? I'm tired of this. That gave her a chance to do something useful for some people who needed it, said David. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) That you aren't trying to take my place. Kate went to the floor, and I kicked the door and--oh, we, just--just like with Andrew, there's nothing you can do. MORRISON: Kurt and Andrew grew up together in Northern California, where the fledgling director gave Andrew starring roles in some of his earliest ventures. MORRISON: And now that she was freed, Shirley would once again, Mr. BAGBY: We had to take him down the stairs and give him to, Shirley's friend, who happened to have a car seat. I said, `Andrew,' I said, `be serious. I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. I am a young director, producer, stage manager, communicator, and creative organizer for theatre and multimedia artistic endeavors. MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? (Shirley in court; Supreme Court of Newfoundland sign), Mr. BAGBY: And then they started slogging through the courts with one issue, MORRISON: In the meantime, Andrew's parents made a momentous. It, (Photo of Shirley; Shirley, Zachary and David; photos of Shirley and Zachary). to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. Mr. BAGBY: Without those cell phone records, they couldn't formally charge. Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. David Bagby wrote Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, a best-seller in Canada in 2007, about his family's ordeal. The upbeat music stops and a little boy who speaks in that lispy slow muckle-mouthed way little boys do, asks, Why did Andrew get killed?. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. View Source Suggest Edits Memorial Photos Flowers Maintained by: Tracy Lane We had to pack up Zachary, Mr. BAGBY: We just climbed right back upstairs and went to bed and melted. I lay in--laid there in bed a couple of times and thought, If I just kill her, Zachary will be safe. kind of the only way that this little boy is going to get to know his dad. The bond between, Zachary and his grandparents grew and grew, and Shirley noticed, even from, KATE: (Audio recording) I think it was one time we were on the phone or, KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah, the baby cried, and I said, `Oh, there's my, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, `Oh, my baby. (Supreme Court building; Shirley being escorted from court; photos of Kate and. They are selfless. And he was crying, so I went into the ladies room and sat there, KATE: Made her very angry. MORRISON: Even more, the Bagbys' gloom was mixed with worry. And tears are dropping on him, of course, and Kate went to wipe one of those away off his cheek, and a plug came out, where hed been shot in the left cheek. We did have him for a little while, she said. David Bagby - Facebook Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008) 1 Video. There is a dark pull in watching the Bagby case travel to unanticipated depths, but there are no thrills. It was like Andrew died and then was reborn for a second chance. Blu-ray | DVD, 10th Anniversary Edition: MORRISON: And ultimately she sent him away, with no forewarning. I kind of. He said, `What can happen?'. But it will also introduce you to some of the most inspiring, strong and caring people ever to grace the big screen."" Six-month-old Zachary was, returned to her. There are things to do, he said, and they try to enjoy life as much as possible. Lori Kaufman rw. Senior Writer and Project Manager. 2023 Cond Nast. He seems to be talking about the unfathomable grief Shirley Jane Turner left behind. And Im blessed to have David and quite frankly David is blessed to have me, said Kate. Shirley. They are warm. whose parents are charged with a violent crime. We couldn't let the authorities who let this happen get away with it. David Bagby Obituary (1957 - 2022) - Statesville, NC - My Web Times Amending Canada's bail code was my goal in releasing "Dear Zachary" publicly; it is my pleasure to announce that goal is now a reality. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yes, ma'am, I am. Both screenings were sold out and received sustained standing ovations, an exceptionally rare event in the 14 year history of Slamdance. An unusually personal and powerful story of a murder, it may offer something of a counterweight to the forces of bias and prurience that often pull the genre off-track. Dr. Andrew David Bagby (1973-2001) - Find a Grave Memorial You live your life, you create an entire universe around you, you trundle along, and then FUCK. It was all incorrect from the beginning, that all this, innocence and everything she's told you was a lie. did. It turns out Shirley Jane Turner is pregnant. (Shears; photo of Shirley, Zachary and Shears; Shears walking), Mr. SHEARS: Suddenly everything rushes into you, and you realize that she, did murder Andrew. You can, just--there's nothing. (Photo of Shirley; Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary), Mr. SHEARS: There was a conversation one time she had with me and Erica, in, regards to if something ever happened to her and she had to go to jail or. January 28, 2008: On December 4, 2009, Bill C-464 (our bail reform bill) was discussed on the floor of the House of Commons for a full hour, and MP Scott Andrews received unanimous support from all political parties in the House of Commons to advance the bill to the Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. (Youll never guess who showed up on my doorstep, one of Bagbys friends recalls him saying. They had to be nice to Turner, to keep her mellow, and not fight with her. Well, I said, `Bring some beer. Did anyone have more friends than he? (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; birthday party), KATE: He didn't want to open presents, you know, he wanted to get, down. And Kate kissed him and held him and kissed him some more. The first time we had contact with her was over the phone. in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. quiet. Mr. BAGBY: She told the court she was afraid we would harm the baby. "This is the purest, most intensely raw film I have ever seen of any kind, dramatic or nonfiction. KATE: You were always afraid that she was going to find something. Either she's grabbed Zachary and taken off and she's trying to, escape, and she has a snowball's chance in hell of getting away with that. would be the difference if one person weren't alive? KATE: (Zachary hugging Kate) This is your Uncle Kurt. How do you represent the fact that this 13-month-olds death was preventable? And one, of the first to see her there was T.J. Shears, the eldest of Shirley's three. The pair planned to take care of the minutiae of dealing with a lost loved one, fly back to California and kill themselves. her. A review of Turner's and Zachary's deaths, released in 2006 by Winnipeg-based coroner Peter Markesteyn, concluded the provinces social services system failed Zachary and his death could have been prevented. The Hornet was just back from patrolling . There was plenty of turmoil in the industry, but many shows continued to nourish, illuminate, and delight. They still have friends in the province, people Kate said they wouldnt have survived without. None of his friends liked Turner because she was often inappropriate and even harassed one of Bagbys exes and just generally appeared to be an incredibly unstable, crude, and unlikeable personbasically Bagby's exact opposite. I had this overwhelming feeling. The victims choices, preferences, actions, and relationships are either boiled down to a heap of clues and red herrings, or offered as a backdrop in a spirit of dutiful empathy before getting down to the business at hand. I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' David and Kate Bagby know all about the unlikely power of love funneled through rage. It left me looking for the impossibility of marking the film above the highest grade available on the festival's voting ballot. news about his mother and baby brother, and was slammed with instant blowback. Dear Zachary was named one of the top 5 documentaries of 2008 by the National Board of Review! You know what, when Andrew didn't show up at 7:30, I knew something was very wrong. They might as well have sent a taxi to her to help take him out and drown him. Understood? Dear Zachary is as devastating as it is because it unravels the way bad things unravel in real life. If she had her way, we would not have had any visitation at, MORRISON: Coming up, fighting not just to see their grandson, but. They are simply good people. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) This is Shirley Turner, yes. This is the first example in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it. IE 11 is not supported. This is the kind of couple, themselves beloved by hundreds, that produces the kind of son who is beloved by hundreds. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. Corporal GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, Dr. Turner, I'm Corporal Gardner with the Pennsylvania State Police. David Bagby. It's. Well, you dont have to look far, said Dr. T. Clark Simpson, who worked with Bagby. Turner shot Bagby two days after he broke up with her at a Pennsylvania airport as she was set to fly back to Iowa. After Newfoundland woman killed their son and grandson - SaltWire It stays so close to Bagby and to the people who loved him that theres never any question that its their side of the story being recounted. -, "Demonstrates independent film at its finest." David Bagby, left, and Kate Bagby, right, celebrate with their son Andrew Bagby at his graduation from medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland in June 2000. Wait, thats not true, Sophocles came up with it when he wrote Oedipus Rex about a king who unwittingly fulfills a prophecy that foretold he would kill his father and marry his mother, and then pokes out his own eyes because hes in despair and you cant outrun destiny. MORRISON: How did you find out what happened, how he had been killed? Skewed imagery. Curated newsletters for curious minds. MORRISON: And tell me about your mum with Zachary. Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss - Goodreads Mr. and Mrs. David Bagby will be notified of the award, and may request background information on the recipient to facilitate any contact between the recipient and the Bagbys. MORRISON: But would that somebody turn out to be a blessing or a curse? I said, `Find her, and I think you'll find who did this.'. Ad Choices. Are you having a good day with grandmom and. He had returned to the US and had discovered a passion for family practice, where his love for people--and theirs for him--seemed as natural, as comfortable as the quiet town in Pennsylvania in which he'd chosen to live. (David speaking to reporters; Kate speaking to reporters; David on radio show; "Dear Zachary" poster; Kurt editing video; photo of Andrew; photo of Zachary; Mr. KUENNE: I almost gave up making this film when you were, killed. They raised a wonderful, Unidentified Man #26: Thanks for bringing such a wonderful person. David bagby, left, and kate bagby, right, celebrate with their son andrew bagby at his graduation from medical school at memorial university of newfoundland in june 2000. contributed by david and kate bagby. There won't be any question about whether she can hurt, MORRISON: Coming up, as David Bagby wrestles with these terrible. Someone found a car that didn't belong. Was it a tight bond? substance to it. The night was. The amount of the award will be variable, but is expected to be in the range of $1,000. The news and opinions youll love for only $10 for 1 year. Believing that even where there is evil, there is also a tremendous amount of good." She was, pregnant, and the baby was Andrew's. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. Newfoundlanders tend to trust each other, perhaps it's because, generally, With a skilled lawyer on hand to do Shirley Turner's bidding, the. But that didn't erase their unease, or a remarkable feeling, (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; David), Mr. BAGBY: I considered killing her myself, seriously considered it. ', KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah. Dance with the Devil is David Bagby's . This is not the worst instance in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you sure? MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible). His father says, "I kissed him and held . In 2006, the press was there again to cover the issuance of a report on the death of, (Newspaper article; David on TV show being interviewed; Confederation, Unidentified Reporter: (Newscast) The government has received a scathing. Which is to say, the woman who killed Dr. Andrew Bagby is pregnant with Dr. Andrew Bagbys baby. Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta will be the bill's sponsor in the Senate, and will shortly be distributing DVDs of "Dear Zachary" to all members of the Senate, just as he and MP Andrews distributed the film to all members of the House of Commons last fall when he introduced the bill. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. I dont know how else to say it except they are grown-ups: they are funny, but serious; playful, but organized. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. -Drafted and finalized press releases, articles, annual reports, websites, earnings releases and investor . How the fuck do you live like that? helped convince me that she would not hurt Zachary. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) His parents don't even know, do they? Based on the title alone, it sounds like one of those saccharine documentaries that only the filmmaker and the subject would ever really care about. After 2 murders, a healing process - PressReader If nothing else is accomplished with this film, it will absolutely attach you to the too-short life that was Andrew Bagby's, and you're going to be sad that you didn't get a chance to know him -- but glad all the same that you know ABOUT him now." Amazon | B&N Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. Kate to keep up their end of that bargain. Not too long ago? ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' Unidentified Woman #12: We won't forget their son. MORRISON: But then things changed. And she followed Andrew to St. John's.. The Bagbys prove it is possible for a woman to kill your child and for you to forge a civil relationship with that woman in order to protect another. Blood red screen. MORRISON: Andrew tried to make a clean break with Shirley in October 2001. She was coming here to take care of me. Shirley Turner, awaiting, extradition for murder, was out of prison on bail. Still grieving the death of their son, the Bagbys moved to Newfoundland and fought for custody of Zachary. Kate Bagby feels her son was too trusting to agree to meet Turner at the park the day he was killed. June 25, 2008: Asked if he would have done anything different back then, David replies, kill Shirley Turner.. While the police investigation was still underway, Turner, a Canadian citizen, packed off to St. Johns, Newfoundland. See details above! May 16, 2008: Slamdance Film Festival book signing! the water. There won't be any question about, whether she can hurt him. Kuenne finished his documentary and dedicated it to the memories of both Bagby and Zachary. -, "You don't just view what's happening on the screen -- you live it through every gasp and every tear, and every bit of exasperated anger(resulting) in one powerful standing ovation, the likes of which I have never seen at Hot Docs beforeDear Zachary will move you. That child was Zachary, to whom the film is addressed. Why would she say that if he wasn't? David Bagby will be signing copies of Dance with the Devil on Sunday, January 20th, from 3-4 P.M. at Dolly's Bookstore, 510 Main Street, Park City, Utah. IMDbPro Starmeter. Former Assistant Pastor at Jackson Community Church. David Bagby - Risk Manager - McKinsey & Company | LinkedIn We're thrilled with MP Andrews' initiative and efforts, and support him 100% as he moves this bill forward. They could check cell towers then, but only manually. thoughts, his wife sees something that rocks her to the core. For the Bagbys, shock might have, (Photo of David and Zachary; photo of Kate and Zachary; Shirley being escorted, from court; court documents; court exterior; court documents; Kate and David), KATE: I'd sat in the back of the room while Judge Green said to her, `I'm so, sorry, Dr. Turner, your life is on hold, and I know the law is slow.'