178 9 shares Like Most relevant Denise Mcdonald Many happy memories there in the late 80s and early 90s . I think the whisky bond was one of them. Wine Quality 4/4. We lived in a low-down coal-fire heated home at 9 Lettoch Street and we only ever moved once and that was to the house directly above us. However, as soon as Bishop Loch got permission to build, they immediately decided to cancel the hotel, and double the amount of private houses to a 1,000. It occurs in the buyers market where access to housing is based on the ability to pay, and it also takes place in the council allocation system where the disadvantaged are lumped together in sink housing schemes. Fairfield Shipbuilding and Engineering Company Ltd. 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Acumfaegovan - Posted on Behalf of Mags Monaghan The "Wine | I was born in 1961. It is in this context that he placed the above paragraph at the very forefront of his book From Moorepark to Wine Alley, The rise and fall of a Glasgow housing scheme, and it is also for the same reasons that this section of the Braendam Link Report investigates housing (especially in Glasgow), its problems, and how they could be solved by community planning. Introduction In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britain's most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley' of Govan in Glasgow. In Canada, I joined the Royal Canadian Air Force, and served 37 years before retiring. 122m The Govan Shed . I was born 1951 in 57 Nethan St. I remember one time, my big brother hiding in the midden under all the ashes, when I went down three stories to empty the fire ashes. The yard eventually closed in the wake of the collapse of the Upper Clyde Shipbuilders consortium in 1971.[35]. Glasgow Crime Stories: The drug nightmare of Wine Alley (Image: Newsquest) Govan covers a huge part of Glasgow's Southside and is famous the world over for its ship building and football team. Also remember when we started school in 1943, we had to carry our gas masks with us. Government organisation. Two associated Christian burials are radiocarbon dated to the 5th or 6th centuries, making Govan the earliest known Christian site in the region. Especially in the Scottish context, given the important role that they have played in community planning. Dry Docks Cafe. [9] It had also been parodied by the BBC Scotland television comedy series Rab C. Nesbitt, with Wine Alley and the wider Govan area the stated setting for the show, though episodes were seldom filmed there. Interest. . I was born in 23 McGregor Street Teucharhill in 1962 and remember my mum waiting until the last minute and getting a lift to the polling station, promising to vote for whichever party candidate provided the transport (aye right) still though when the 70s arrived I would have voted for the blonde wummin shouting through a megaphone at the end of the street even though I'd no idea what she was on about or what party she represented, she was a bit of a belter called Margo MacDonald. Would love to hear from you. I would say about 90% of them never stayed in the winey they probably stayed kintra st, briton st, brighton st or clynder st etc but never the winealley. [7] It is now kept inside the church, as part of the Govan Stones museum collection. My sisters were Elaine & Brenda and my brother was George. Nothing but grateful for my early Govan years. Many of the people who buy these flats do not intend to stay in them rather; they hope either to rent them out at exorbitant prices or to sell them quickly at a greater price than they bought them for. They were friendly and knowledgable, it was a great experience. The authors would like to thank Glasgow Braendam Link, The Faith in Community (Scotland) Transformation Team, Oxfams UK Poverty Programme, and the Poverty Alliance for suggesting the idea of this project for the worlds Poverty Day on October 17th 2005. At the time, it was the fifth largest burgh in Scotland and contained within its boundaries, the areas of Plantation, Cessnock, Ibrox, Craigton and Drumoyne. We do not pre-moderate or monitor readers comments appearing on our websites, but we do post-moderate in response to complaints we receive or otherwise when a potential problem comes to our attention. You can make a complaint by using the report this post link . Wine Alley Tims and Scheme Hooses - SeanMcDon I can't remember what we wrote, but we were very busy. [30] British Shipbuilders' sale of Govan to the Norwegian firm was completed in 1988, and the yard was renamed Kvaerner Govan. Another trick was to get a queue lined up outside his house but to serve only half of them and tell the others to come back later. Moorepark is a small area in the Scottish city of Glasgow. My Granny, Cassie Donaghey stayed at 9 Orkney Street, Govan where I went at weekends and for holidays (Yeah from Drumchapel). There, two local cops came up with the idea of using several of the houses to keep a 24-hour watch on the gang. When the railway was to be built in the late nineteenth century, however, the confusion over proper descriptions in the land titles made necessary legal transactions difficult and had to be reconciled. Then the place just went to pot. [8] Govan is Baile a' Ghobhainn (the smith's town) in Scottish Gaelic. 11 a.m.-8 p.m. Monday . I went to Harmony Row school and below is my class photograph from around 1957, I have given the names as far as I remember starting at the back row left. 124m D.C Hair&Beauty . As I recall they sold very trendy tops marketed as Trendy. 14). I don't know the name though and wondered if anyone could remember it. :bbpd: I loved it there we could watch the ships being built and then launched from the bedroom window. I lived at 2 Robert street, Govan, we moved there from Tower Street, Kinning Park, I went to Harmony Row school (1959/60) then moved up to Hills Trust primary and after that went to Broomloan Road secondary school, that was shut down and we were moved to Govan High comprehensive around 1967/1968. Clyde News. Burnside also appeared to take sadistic pleasure in watching them scrabbling about on the ground looking for their hit. My brother and I would wait for the coal lorry to come round the corner and hang onto the back of it as it drove up the street. Would love to hear if anyone remembers the Wallace family! They thanked him for the work they had done in cleaning up Wine Alley and bringing Burnsides two-year reign of terror to an end. As a university sociologist, I stayed all over Govan, I was born in the Southern General in 1961 and was brought home to Neptune St then I stayed in Govan Rd, Broomloan Rd and Carmichael St. Yet, there is still much to show that community power is not only real but can work effectively. Create New Account. With its bad name, many people from Moorepark could not get jobs while those that could often disguised their addresses and, if they a they moved away because of its bad reputation Gradually, the decrease in services, coupled with, a by now high turnover of tenancie let house, led to the accretion of demoralised families coming into the scheme and all the stories about Moorparks good-for-nothing population seemed to be justified. We used to listen to all the records being played from Munleys on a Saturday morning. Redevelopment was never completed and the combined effects of poor building specifications, and carelessness in the design of the surrounding spaces were becoming embarrassingly apparent. Second, two documents from the Social Exclusion Unit (SEU), which focus on the decline of the urban neighbourhood, argue that the decline almost always starts with a lack of work. The owner later came in with home-made tablet for all of us. We had 4 Cinemas that we could go to and the swimming baths and all the dykes round the back to jump and all the different games we played outdoors until the street lights went on and Dad shouted out the window it was time to come up the stairs. In Great Britain, community planning has evolved and not only has it kept its identity, but it has also retained its application as a primary vehicle through which social change is enacted at a local level, by members of the community acting together to improve the lifestyle of the group as a whole. That suggested that the suspect was taking the van south to Manchester or Liverpool to pick up much larger drug consignments. They expect 20 calls a week from officers needing help. This was the catalyst that led local Govanites into despising the peoph of Moorepark, and considering them as different and alien. I was pretty sad when I left Govan and leaving my family was devastating to me. The faults were caused mainly by a lack of insulation and waterproofing at the joints in the concrete panels, which made up the structure. In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britains most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley of Govan in Glasgow. [31] GEC's Marconi Marine division already owned YSL (purchased in 1985) and VSEL (purchased in 1995). Other Sundays maybe Helen and I would visit the graves of our mothers at Cardonald Cemetery (her mother died when she was 5). In 1136, when Glasgow Cathedral was formally consecrated, King David I (112453) gave to the See the lands of Partick and also of the church at Govan (on opposite sides of the River Clyde), which became a prebend of Glasgow. Further, that by becoming involved in social, political, and economic activities, the community of any area can organise itself in such a fashion as to understand that community, or collective power is real. Moreover, there will be no demolition or destruction of any part of Govans heritage on the contrary the important Iron Age site of Doomster Hill will be marked with grass, and not encroached upon by the new housing while a special corridor will link it with Govan Old Parish Church, which is one of the earliest Christian sites in Britain. Today the area is policed from bright new shiny offices opposite Bellahouston Park on Helen Street. the tall man aboriginal spirit; metadata api request failed: component conversion failed: file_ended; caleb foote sandlot No1seems2care. The planning process commonly involves the juggling of conflicting interests in such a fashion that it is agreeable to all interested parties at least, no one side has to sacrifice itself unjustly. Gloria Govan and Derek Fisher are Married! | Lipstick Alley Conecteaz-te. Police enter in twos with another car on standby. 2 The layout suited their operations as there were only two ways in and out - making it easy to spot the police. I was born and raised at 976 Govan road and remember concerts we used to have round the back for the neighbours and we would make costumes out of crepe paper and sing songs like" oh you beautiful doll you great big beautiful doll". 15 Saturday Home, 2005, p. 20 16Vindicated1, 2005, p. 1-2, Acknowledgements I was born in Govan in 1948 and lived with my grannie in Vicarfield Street, opposite the school. Doublers; Rounders; Kick the Can; Ropes I could go on and on particularly with the little verses we once recited lodged in my brain still! Govan glasgow street hi-res stock photography and images - Alamy Jocelyn Square. Went to Drumoyne primary then Govan High. The county added to the description of these lands, the phrase: "but now by annexation in the County of Renfrew. The huge shoe shop was, I think Bayne and Ducketts. Hullo! contact the editor here. We moved to a new house in Mallaig Road which was built on what used to be Millers Farm where I stayed until I got married. I spent 18 months there before being released on a three-year parole where I took a job in the local Cleansing Department as a midgy-man. I also remember the candy apple man and rag man, I also remember at the top of Greenfield Street as a wee boy of 8 watching a horse drawn Beatties bread wagon relieving itself, what a flood lots of great memories. Wall furniture and coverings, clothing, beds and bedding, carpets and furniture were badly affected by fungi while many of the inhabitants suffered physical illnesses related to the damp atmosphere, financial anguish at the cost of replacement and (in some cases), mental problems brought on by the worry caused by the above problems in the first place! 81 Albums for you to enjoy : - Sunny Govan Memories | Facebook Verejnoprospen prce. Vine Alley Bistro 13 reviews Claimed Wine Bars, Wine Tasting Classes Edit Closed 4:00 PM - 9:00 PM Hours updated 2 months ago See hours See all 31 photos Write a review Add photo Location & Hours 114 Market St Gaithersburg, MD 20878 Get directions Edit business info You Might Also Consider Sponsored iRock Karaoke Lounge 141 [10][11], The area was associated with Junior football team St Anthony's who had two grounds in the area. Members of our family have now moved away to other locations in Glasgow and Paisley, but we still remember our childhoods growing up in Govan. My granny Flora McFadyen was one of the oldest and longest residents in the Wine Alley. ; Scots: Gouan; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland. Jimmy's was our local shop and Ruby's was out local bakery which fed the Fairfield's workers. Burnside, 42, known as the Godfather, lived on the top-floor flat of his tenement. Reply. I am researching my family tree and as both my grandparents died in 1990 and 1993 respectively I can't ask them. The second outcome was a general agreement among officials to stop using the abusive term of Wine Alley as this served only to reproduce the stigma of the scheme. My Gran Haggerty lived in 3 Helen Street Govan (above the CO OP). [17][18], A prominent feature of the Govan landscape was the Doomster or Moot Hill, which stood near the river, north of the present Govan Cross. We moved to Cardonald when I was very small but used to go back to Govan all the time and stay with my grannie at 711 Govan Road, above McLarens Newsagents. We went this year to the Fairfield shipyard museum which was very interesting. Playing out in the street with our whip and peeries my sisters and friends would have contests to see who could chalk their peerie with the best colour design. I remember the baths and went there every Friday, I also remember playing in the street and when the coalman came my mum and I would follow him with a pram and pick up any coal that fell of the lorry. My mother and grandfather raised me alongside my two sisters and three brothers and various in-laws who moved in and out of the home through the years. My mam would love to know. I remember Vogue would show two part Westerns that made us come back the following Saturday to find out who won the fight, there was also an entertainer named "uncle Harry" who would go up on the stage when the movie was over and ask us to wave our white hankies that we were asked to bring, we would all stand up and sing "Pack up your troubles in your old kit bag" before we left. Janet Logan (Williamson) I remember your family. Former. Jack, Margaret, Frank, Gerry, May, Charlie and Kathleen, Annie Maguire's 7 children. I would like to hear from anybody who knew any of us up until 1981 when my mum and dad left Ibrox to move to Craigton. Home - Wineally During fortnight surveillance in February 1989, they discovered that the same gang member had hired his biggest car yet. we were easy pleased in those days. Our young sister was married in St. Anthony's years later. Govan and Fisher, former NBA player and current head coach for the Los Angeles Sparks, got married on Saturday at Cielo Farms in Malibu, California. I loved going to the Steamie with my Mum and her friends. Amenities, Comfort & Cleanliness 4/4. Anyone remember the prego cafe and who ran it? Remember, Charlies sweet shop opposite us, where after playing football we were soaked in sweat, you got a glass of lemonade for threepence. Has it always been a democratic, progressive authority and, is it so today? On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. It is now an industrial estate. First, if the government are to tackle inequality and the centring of disadvantaged groups, then they will have to understand that it is the housing system itself that creates it. I was born in Southern General 1971, lived in 1 Elder Street with my mum Ina Quinn and dad Peter Quinn, brothers and sister. One was that there was no real attempt at involving the tenants in these changes, nor was there any attempt at involving the community in the future management of their own locale. The estate was acquired in the 1870s by the Glasgow and South Western Railway Company and the mansion house was demolished. I attended Notre Dame School and Jackie told customers this to reassure them of the standard of my handwriting! I almost joined Majorettes but I had no coordination so no chance of being Govan Queen either that year. . In its turn, this attitude helped create the malignant tales about people who lived there as being nothing but thieves, layabouts and drunks. Hi there, just wondering if anyone has any info or stories on the Slaters, Mckechnies or Hutchisons, hope to hear back. My mother, Elsie Walker lived with siblings; Edward, Betty, Beatrice and Edith in Belch Street, it was a small street with only one close and not one single Govan person I have ever met can remember it! When they married on the 29/4/1939 they moved to Hillington. Gary Faulds. When the car stopped at lights in Helen Street it was surrounded by the surveillance team who arrested the driver and seized the heroin which had a street value of 50,000 - worth 125,000 today. Replies. He thought that important questions are never asked because mistakes in the finish of the whole are not seen until it is too late. It was a two bedroom, living room with a kitchenette and full bathroom. Fall in Woodinville at After Hours Wine Walks in Woodin Creek Village! Govan covers a huge part of Glasgow's Southside and is famous the world over for its ship building and football team. Water was always roasting hot and bath was very deep used to spend hours in it; and who can forget the carbolic soap!!! Moorepark is a small area in the Scottish city of Glasgow. For instance, leaky, crumbling roofs were never repaired during the improvements nor were rotten, draught-causing window frames replaced while the backcourt midden arrangements remained as inadequate as ever. Add your own memories or stories by clicking here. Glorious Govan. The first, Moorepark Grounds, was situated to the north of the mansion from the early 1900s and made way for the housing development;[12] the second (New Moore Park, opened in 1929) was to the south-west of the neighbourhood off Edmiston Drive[12] and had fallen into some disrepair before being replaced by a business park at the turn of the 21st century, with the club moving to new facilities at Shieldhall after some years of uncertainty.[13][14]. I had never seen one before. The Murrays were a large family maybe someone remembers them? The Old Govan Fair. 2 Markus, 1993, p. 148 Does anyone remember my dad Iain Campbell and mother Margaret Marshall born 1921 and 1922? Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. Lots of memories of that area. For instance; my mother was standing on the banks of the Clyde in 1938, when the Queen Mary was launched. ), the street was a dead end because a school had burnt down. Great memories of Summertown Road baths. Finalists in the Intermediate Cup 1929-30, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moorepark,_Glasgow&oldid=1142353497, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 1 March 2023, at 23:16. Know your enemy. Smith did know Glasgow well, but Edinburgh (where he later worked as Secretary to the University) was gloriously exotic. I was born at 61 Greenfield street in 1957 we lived above the dairy and I remember the betting shop. We were also in the Choir at Govan Parish church and in the B.B. Providing activities for member children and young people Providing informal and formal training for family members I've looked at several sites like this, in search of a memory or a photo and never found a thing - yet it was a Govan institution. Laurel Brook. I went to Hills Trust primary and can remember having to sit my 11 plus exam and passed by the skin of my teeth (lots of mental arithmetic). Encouraging families to participate in the community and to use local facilities and services Ensuring that the voice of those living in poverty is heard When all my pals joined the Lifeboys I went along too for 2 weeks, I think the hall was on Portman or Middlesex Street. NGR Description Centred NS55416 65081. The wine in the Wine Alley nickname was not expensive red and whites like Beaujolais and merlot. I went to Broomloan Rd nursery then the school. Robert sadly passed away when he was 2 and then my dad James was born in 1960. I went to Greenfield then Govan High left school in 1975 and worked in Govan shipyard canteen my mates wee Calum McLean, Brian Lavoury, Billy Cameron, Tam Reid, Jim Reynolds and Stephen Gourley now living in England. We always used to stop at your house on the way home from St. Anthony`s school, for a blether. Wine Alley Govan Glasgow | Visit A Winery Datum OSGB36 - NGR. Lifts were often out of order; maintenance of the blocks was negligible while the area surrounding the tower blocks was allowed to turn into a muddy, rubbish-strewn wasteland. He was lim, dark-haired and kind, probably in his 30s. I have memories of buying penny and thrupny canes there to make a bow 'n arrows. Unresolved: Release in which this issue/RFE will be addressed. There was another pub next door, The Bellrock. I lived with my aunt and uncle (Mary Steven, Mailey) my aunt was a cook in Ibrox. I might have served you in the shop in the early 70s as a teenager. They suggested that the hill may have been a 12th-century Norman motte. Around this time heroin dealing was rife in Govan, particularly in an area called Moorepark, which was nicknamed Wine Alley. Scots: Gouan; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland. Wine Alley Govan Kids Southern General Hospital On the Clyde Govan Kvaerner/Fairfield Shipyards Govan Shipyards ( Front gate pics ) The Plaza/Vogue Govan Dry Docks Trams in Govan/ Goods Carriers Inside the Lyceum Bingo/Picture Hall Lyceum Projection Room Lyceum Foyer & Balcony Foyer Lyceum Cinema Balcony Inside The Lyceum Govan Baths Harhill I was born in Govan in 1941. No1seems2care. Our parents and our brother were also married there, and we were all Christened there as well. We left govan to go to Drumchapel. When I was a wee lassie of four living on Neptune Street in the early 50's I walked away down the street from our close and got lost. It was massive and as a wee girl it was magical, as well as Dands I also remember Bobbys on Langlands Rd, I got my Bay City Rollers trousers there, lol, there was loads of shoe shops in Govan, one was called Cherries I'm sure, also a massive one can't remember name, just round from Burleigh St, a few years back it was Bradley's chemist. We may then apply our discretion under the user terms to amend or delete comments. Here in the alley, you will find tasting rooms such as Truth Teller Winery, Baer Winery, Ancestry Cellars, Adam's Bench and the office of Woodinville Wine Country. Post moderation is undertaken full-time 9am-6pm on weekdays, and on a part-time basis outwith those hours. We engraved pet medallions and Jackie let me do it because I had nice handwriting. Houses are places to live in, either for one person or several. I was brought up on Broomloan Road, Ibrox across from Ibrox high flats.the Ibrox house pub was just up road from me as well. Many of the men worked at the shipyards or the preserves factory. Digital Stories | Reminiscences Around 1963 we moved to Arden where I went St Louise Primary School. I was born and lived in Harmony Row, 1960, before moving to Drumchapel in 1961. Many memories but top must be winning Whitefield Cup with Under 13s against Lourdes in 1962 by 7-6. The Old Govan Fair. Skater Girl. HAPPY TIMES. I try and tell my grandkids what a fanfastic place it was to grow up, no money but lots of pals and never bored. JDK-8141210 : Very slow loading of JavaScript file with recent JDK The SNP won another by-election victory in 1988, this time with Jim Sillars as candidate. He also had a shop in Govan Road and he lived at 31 (I think) Copland Road, his name was Robert Reid and he had 2 daughters, Jane my mother and her sister Molly who lived for years in Merryland Street before it was pulled down. I then went to Govan High, teachers I remember and not with any fondness are Jockey Rayburn (Maths) Duncan (English) and Miss Downny (Maths) who was a lovely teacher, I had two brother George and Stuart who also went to the same primary and also went to Govan High. My grandparents lived opposite and I remember being sent down to McGunness for an ounce of tobacco for my grand dads pipe. 4, Soon, the housing scheme had a bad name. I learned then that Govan as I knew it had obviously changed (the three picture houses were gone) but was still a thriving community. I worked there for a time early 60s I left in 1962. I now live in Scotstoun but attend same dentist at Water Row Govan! We used to prick our fingers to drop blood into the fish tank where the (goldfish-sized) piranhas were and watch them converge on the blood. Read More For (as he says) members of the so-called underclass are not helpless and passive victims of structural circumstances, and that by becoming involved in social, political and economical activities, the community of any area can organise themselves in such a fashion as to understand that community, or collective power, is real.1 The two men, working for up to 18 hours at a time, had to be smuggled out before dawn each day. For about a decade that shop stood empty and it broke my heart. Govan feels vibrant again. During my first year studying sociology I came across Damer again in the form of a book that he had written about poverty and deprivation in the Wine Alley but put it to the back of my mind. In 1885, the yard moved further west to its present site and was reorganised as the Fairfield Shipbuilding and Engineering Company Ltd. Log In. [21], The area has had a reputation for deprivation and poverty, partly due to the construction of housing estates in the 1930s to relieve the overcrowded slum district of The Gorbals, Glasgow. Govan Old Parish Church was rebuilt in 1762, 1826, and again 1884-1888. 3 'Wine Alley', Govan Pop: 10,875 (whole ward) Problems: Mainly drug-related crime. My cousins and I thought we should try this. Vezi mai multe de la Sunny Govan Memories pe Facebook. Glorious Govan. Now home to a business park, the Wineywas a working class scheme designed by urban planners with little to no regard for those cut from the labouring class cloth. who traditionally incorporate the red and black civic colours in the socks of their kit;[43] their Ibrox Stadium has a stand named for Govan (the closest to the heart of the burgh), although officially this was re-named after their former player Sandy Jardine in 2014.[44]. What jobs? | Golf Monthly Show More . 102m Harley's ice cream parlour . But then officers were based in a more forbidding Victorian building about a mile away in Orkney Street. However, the documents do not ask why so many people with poor health or low educational qualifications happen to be in the same areas in the first place! Instead, it referred to the popularity of cheap and powerful tonic wines particularly with young people - the vast consumption of which would often lead to violence and disorder.

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