At this point I would have to say that Taurus is a better handgun. Its pathetic how often these legal stunts work. 1.A rush to market, and as usual the blind greed of the gun companies who no longer test pistols before marketing them think it is cheaper (so the idiots think) to let the public test them. My dad owned one and that is exactly what happened one time when he was using it. CBC News reached out to Sig Sauer and its Canadian distributor, M.D. Let us look at the history of other consumer products. Fundamentally, the bits that the ambulance chaser claims are flawed function exactly the same way as a S&W M&P. With the 320, the striker is in full-cock position, and held there through the operation of the trigger sear and the positive striker-blocking safety. Note that Harrisons comment about these claims possibly being the result of legal momentum were edited out of the longer Nightline version of the report. Theres also an un-named Texas gun shop manager who says a P320 fired as he cleared the weapon, blowing off one of his fingers. The claimed mode of failure was that the tab on the drop safety that interferes with the striker movement had been sheered off and stopped being a drop safety. Sig P320 Accidental Discharge 2021 Perhaps nothing speaks more clearly to the need for a total recall than the fact that in 2021, over four years after Sig Sauer offered its voluntary upgrade, people are still suffering injuries and lawsuits continue to be filed. Sounds like most of these cases were off-body carry. Just because someone shoots hyper-unrealistic 3 gun competition, subscribes to Recoil magazine and routinely watches their fave rave YouTube cult of personality channel shill for the latest company that paid him off doesnt make them a [emailprotected]$$. -You plan on getting rid of your P320, great! Sigs suck and my Glock is awesome!. When a consumer product is likely to be operated in such a way that it causes accidents because it is way too easy to make a serious mistake because of human error when operating it the manufactures are told that the machine must be made safer. SIG P320s were just the start and the P365 isnt far behind. That a pistol will be carried in a way it shouldnt (say, in a gym bag or a purse). So I will just continue to carry Mexican style with my striker fired polymer wonder nine from a company that may or may not be SIG. Back in 2017, SIG instituted a voluntary upgrade program to replace the original production triggers with new enhanced triggers designed to fix the issue that we and others observed when the pistols were dropped onto hard surfaces. You have entered an incorrect email address! Give me a break. My trust for Sig stopped after they produced the beloved Sig556xi Russian. Harrison responded, No, I dont think the upgraded version should be recalled, in fact I think the previous version should be recalled so that everyone has the upgraded version.. If it were the guns, there would be thousands of cases involving citizensbut there arent. Hey, Im glad theres somethings we agree on! As to prong 2, there is a considerable difference between the mechanism of a 320 and, say, ones basic Glock, in that a 320 is fully cocked, whereas a Glock is half-cocked until the trigger is fully depressed, with the striker remaining locked by the striker safety plunger until that is released by a cam on the trigger bar. And then theres Gunter Walker, a civilian, who says his P320 fired on its ownwhen he placed the weapon down on his nightstand, shooting him through the palm of his left hand.. Grow up, you aint all that! He was told to shoot two rounds. My bet would be that someone had a fully loaded gun in a gym bag and a cloth or rag snagged the trigger. Depending on who you talk to you will get many different answers. And people have a way of looking for ways to deflect blame for those discharges, especially when they stand to lose their job as a result. Good thing you werent serious, thatd be terr..uh.oops. But were way past the days of major league, internationally known gunmakers turning out complete crap, selling it and the public living with it. Jeff Bagnell, a lawyer in Westport, Conn., who has litigated 10 cases, mostly by commercial gun owners, related to SIG P320 misfires across several U.S. states, took note of the accident involving the Canadian special forces soldier. . Its interesting that ABC chose to leave that point out of one of their reports. Thats just myopic brand lust on parade. At least the Lion roars when he is hungry, the C.E.O smiles at you and when you turn your back he puts a knife right into it. Kyle . A plastic gun that has a tendency to go off by itself. But then Im not a federal LE flunky who cant keep my booger hook off the bang switch, either. Note the addition of ominous background music in the second seven-minutes-longer version (there was no music in the Good Morning America version). That is exactly why all civilized countries have Government Agencies that monitor companies that have a callus disregard for human life and are only interested in the quick buck. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0LUbLu6TqA, Simply put, the P320 is not safe and the lawsuits arent frivolous. And the idea some random comment section P320 hater thinks theyre smarter & more knowledgeable than the Army, Navy, Airforce, Coast Guard and Marine Corp combined regarding military pistol selection is just freaking laughable! I am still waiting for the UPS man (not from the devil but from Sig) I will not hold my breath. The safety WILL prevent the gun from firing with a trigger pull when activated, but it should never come to that. RKC, the first time someone presented me with a 1911 whose trigger rivaled my Pythons single action, I started wondering about that. Bineau added the review is looking at so-called ancillary equipment (meaning the holster and other items) as one element of that broader investigation. Circumstances that explained those un-commanded discharges.. Its the expert who gets caught up in the routine and stops paying attention. His annual qualification consisted of shooting 32 rounds. That focus drifts. When he put his hand on the grip, the weapon fired, according to the lawsuit. Bagnell told TTAG that he believes the problem with the striker-fired P320 is an inadequate sear/striker connection (he has images he says illustrate this on his website). SIG doesnt so you get killed by a punk with a Hi Point. In this version, Bridge City Officer Brittany Hilton tells her story of what she says happened when her P320 discharged as she was carrying it in her purse in what appears to be a SERPA holster (which has had its own problems, but thats another story). It sure wasnt her fault though, because she was flooring the. 01:10. 19 Feb 2021 Military.com | By Matthew Cox A former U.S. Marine and federal agent has filed a $10 million lawsuit against Sig Sauer Inc. alleging that his holstered Sig P320 -- a pistol. Two, the plunger may have a propensity to remain partially raised, or staged, instead of returning fully to its secure position, lessening the energy necessary to move it and thus allowing less effort to do so. That being the case, the 320 is a cocked and locked striker-fired gun; However, it only has two safeties, unlike, say, a 1911, which has four: An inertial firing pin, a positive firing-pin locking safety, a manual sear-locking/blocking safety, and a trigger-bar-blocking grip safety. Trigger is lighter than the Glock, it took years of aggressive training to reach the point of acceptable discharges with the Glock. You would have to conclude theres a problem with the product, not with the people., In the Nightline version, Bagnell says, Firearms are not subject to federal regulation. Have heard of no issues like the alleged gremlin caused spontaneous discharges of the P320 in other Sig models. Especially since they farm it out to the lowest bidder. Aug 25, 2021 pluong91 said: Hello all users that plan on making a P320 Accidental Discharge Threads -We love our P320's and have done the research when these articles and lawsuits came out, we don't need you to tell us, we have done our due diligence. ALL OF THEM. I lost $150 dumping that gun and Sig instead of acknowledging that it had a problem and calling it a recall, denied all and everything and called it a voluntary upgrade., At my LGS a P320 just went off when one of the guys put it the counter when he set up a target. Fair enough. Hammer guns have a half cock notch for a reason. While it seems that I have a preference for battle ships, The Romulans had Warbirds. Again the Far Right Stupidity and hypocrisy is infinite. The design was incorporated from Bruce Grays trigger kit around the time of the original drop safety fix. The sear cams it back a teeny bit. Trust a P365 with your life. The company didnt want to comment on any specific pending litigation for obvious reasons. The use of a modified [SIG] P226 holster created an unsafe condition by allowing a foreign object to enter the holster, causing the unintended discharge.. There were a lot of changes. Both versions of the ABC report included comments from Officer Hiltons attorney, Jeffrey Bagnell, who said, Its not credible to claim that people with this amount of training, this amount of skill are all shooting themselves. It somehow moved to the hinges of the desk. Bravo. I would rather play handball with the Devil himself because if you deal with the Devil he will tell you that you agreed to lose your soul for a big box full of millions in cash. If its not legal momentum, it would have to be some other mechanism of failure.. It nicely describes what has to happen in a striker-fired P320 for an un-commanded discharge to happen as the plaintiffs have claimed. The weapon was out of battery when it fired.. The American manufacturer of the new pistols belonging to Canadas special forces claims the soldier wounded in an accidental discharge last fall was using the wrong holster for the weapon. Is there any major military anywhere that ever issued one of their guns? Thats SIGs term for a recall. Each incident gives them more blood for their macabre dance, and another tic-mark for their context-free gun violence tally. . Mechanical engagement of sear to striker not deep enough (wanted lighter, smoother trigger pull without giving it any hand workmanship required with the deep notch much safer classic systems made since 1900) Result another big fail. I agree. First off, no joke on me. Clients such as law enforcement officers whose negligent discharges could result in their being disciplined or fired unless it can be proven that the gun was at fault. In 1974 if you bought a Colt 1911, you left the gun store and then immediately took it to your favorite gunsmith and said Make it work it with Super-Vels, please. You cant get away with that today. SIG is choosing to litigate their problems away. They have similar vertical sear engagement, but the M&P has more engagement width wise. Wow new finger grooves, crazy innovation. Sig Sauer's headquarters are located in New Hampshire at Pease International Tradeport. Well I jumped in bed with ma and pa , told them that the devil was in Arkansas. So if, say, a person was to accidentally get shot through no fault of their own and need to sue, which specific cartridge/appendage combo would yield the most favorable least pain/permanent-damage : highest-payout ratio? The military is already shopping for a new sidearm. On the other hand, would we also condemn him for violating Rule 2 if the bullet had travelled through his outside wall, entered the adjacent house, and killed a resident thereof, or would we maybe, just maybe, place some blame on the manufacturer who created the pistol? Still waiting. Ron, Frankly, I think that ship is the best looking sci-fi ship design ever, with the Excelsior a very close second. Ever since the internet went mainstream I have read about the Sigs decline. I cant stand Glocks but SIG P320s are junk. Lastly, ship-wise I have to go with the TMP-era refit Enterprise, regardless of Captain. So park the Cops suck cause they aint gunfighters! bull**it. They didnt see a problem at all and in fact, saw it as an upgrade over Glock. The suit also cites other occurrences of "un-commanded" discharges with the 320 while holstered. 1:07. The thing is, youd probably need to generate many Gs of force in both directions simultaneously. Thats why the US Marines have Sigs. You couldnt ask questions. As a striker-fired pistol, the P320 is "under constant pressure to fire," Bagnell said. 2. Thats the same. Sig Sauer P320 (Christine Peterson/TNS) February 22, 2021 Ryan Morgan Gunmaker Sig Sauer is facing a new lawsuit from a U.S. federal agent who claims his holstered P320 pistol discharged without him pulling the trigger and struck him in his upper right hip. In 2020, the agent, who is a former marine, was doing his routine training with the P320. This guy had been working at the LGS for over a decade and never had an AD or ND, he was the strictest when it came to safety. Harrison stated that, I have not seen enough to convince me that the upgraded version is dangerous., When ABCs David Scott asked Harrison if its a mystery whats going wrong with the updated version though Harrison had just stated the upgraded pistol isnt dangerous Harrison said, I do not have an explanation for why the updated version should have complaints from trained individuals. If this were a car, a phone, a refrigerator, it would have been recalled long ago. Ill go so far as to say the first batch of Sig P320s did nothing wrong. The more someone touches, loads, clears, cleans, holsters, un-holsters, or otherwise deals with their firearm, the higher the statistical likelihood that complacence kicks in. Being highly trained doesnt eliminate stupidity. abprototype.com can add the manual safety as well as add the notches in the grip frame. It was one of the first ones and was sent back as a voluntary upgrade. Everyone remembers the problems the Beretta M9 had, but it got sorted and they went on to serve over 30 years. The main difference is that the M&P never had the problem the p320 did with trigger mass. These lawsuits ARE about SIG making defective weapons. Its also beyond debate that current production Sig quality is drastically inferior to what it once was, particularly the German made pieces. Thread starter ut755ln; Start date Oct 19, 2022; Forums. The moral of all of this is the reason Sig got the military contract was because they were selling guns at close to cost, they underbid Glock by a significant margin. Cops are crap with guns, unlike me, a REAL pistolero! Posts: 21156 | Registered: November 05, 2003. Sometimes you dont get what you pay for but now SIG has bragging rights. This is just blind greed using some careless doofus to sell a lie and cash in because a civil jury, like the average American voter, can be manipulated easily though emotion, tears and stories of anguish, pain and suffering at the foot of some super-rich evil corporations cold-blooded behest. Funny how that works. Watching all these Glock fan boys drool over these lawsuits in their tribal brand-lust is like watching the talking heads on CNN announcing Trump lost the 2020 election. The Government mandated it to be made more safe to use and was. The fact that Shatner was doing Wrath of Kahn meet and greets at 90 years old kind of soured me. Like many of our readers, weve been watching the slow drip, drip, drip of lawsuits accumulate over the past couple of years against SIG Sauer. This is what happens when you go with the lowest bidder. If you want to find the lowest form of life on the planet interview any C.E.O. ), and the gun fell out of his pocket. The new Kirk does suck. Were not saying that the suits against GLOCK are any more (or less) substantiated than those against SIG. Attorney Bagnell held up the law enforcement officers he represents as examples of people who are highly trained in carrying and using firearms. Zero in the affirmative. . Being prosecuted and convicted of a third degree felony in Texas can lead to: Incarceration in a Texas state prison for a term of two years or up to 10 years. NEWINGTON - A Hillsboro man is suing Newington gunmaker Sig Sauer alleging his Sig P320 pistol fired, without him pulling the trigger, causing a bullet to be discharged into his thigh.

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