Pray the opponent was just carrying a Taser and not a knife. Victoria: An officer was chasing a man down a stairwell with his pistol drawn and the man was shot, but apparently, he was not actually a criminal. I will always carry chambered because I keep my fingers where they belong and therefore don't worry about it. Even though they dont have safety, Glocks are not prone to negligent discharge and are completely safe to carry when done properly. MOLON LABE. By all means, carry what you are competent to handle effectively and safely. Glock likewise provides a slimline design, which integrates features from the Gen 3 and Gen 5 Glock guns. I have had cops point shotgunms and Rvolvurs at me, made me nervous, now their pointing Glocks at me, and that frightens me to the point of shaking. We were assured that; were working on it. There is no doubt about it. So, as DG said, its a problem in search of a solution. Dont you dare break the three rules of safe gun handling. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-leader-1','ezslot_8',113,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-1-0');I do know one engineer who figured out that if it was dropped from 221 feet and it lands on the right angle squarely on its barrel, it could possibly go off, but the bullet would immediately strike the ground and not do much after that. If you have your Glock properly holstered it cant go off, Those are what ifs what if you slip in the shower get hit in the crosswalk get rundown by a terrorist in a f150 train be vigilant and stay away from the end that has 6 letters. The finger does not go in the trigger guard until Im ready to fire. they took it so far, they had Glock make a special model Glock for them with a slightly stouter trigger spring. I carry all my guns chambered. The list of pistols that have a drop safety to prevent the gun from going off unintentionally when impacted is quite long you need to look no further than any of the handguns allowed in the . Am I being silly? I only know my own lifes experiences, fwiw, too many LEOs cant hit chit no matter what the tool, and Im an honorary. Because criminals dont follow laws, and as long as you stay off the radar, nobody is checking your gun. Glock is a brand of polymer-framed, short recoil-operated, locked-breech semi-automatic pistols designed and produced by Austrian manufacturer Glock Ges.m.b.H.. Smh. Carrying A Glock With One In The Chamber. Some say it makes the trigger drag, but it doesnt on mine. It became the norm to carry with an empty chamber. I could give you many other identical examples of Glocks going off while the owner wore them or handled them. You carry your way and Ill carry mine. Just go to there web site, or go to your gun store for more information. As one gun writer said years ago, its amazing someone was not smart enough to hire a good gun savvy lawyer and sue Glock out of existence with all the accidents this pistol has caused. To each their own, and god speed, The first gunm I packed was a SA .22 with a half cock safety and I loaded all the holes, then I went DA but cocked it most of the time.so I got in a habit of cocking the hammers Then I went to auto pistols and just never did trust that hammer sticking up so I carry them with one in the chamber on half cock. B.D. carrying or keeping a gun with a round in the chamber, Standard Manufacturings New S333 Revolver Fires Two .22 WMR Rounds at a Time, District of Columbia AG Subpoenas NRA Foundation Financial Records, Gov. I would consider the weapon fully loaded at this point. When all else fails eat a mucho big bowl of butter beans and a hand full of BBs that should put a whole new meaning to Kiss my a$$. Now that we know what it means to have one in the chamber, let's figure out whether it is safe to carry a "loaded gun" with you. You'll want to train yourself one way or the other. I'm not exactly a diehard with pistol-caliber carbines but I definitely enjoy them. Point the holstered G19 downrange at a target and try to fire it without removing it from the holster. Unfortunately, the safety is on the wrong side of the slide for me so I dont use it. It's offered in a wide range of cartridges, from .22LR to the .357 Magnum. However, that also creates issues. The NYPD used this excuse several times to get out of a situation, basically saying These new-fangled Glocks just go off on their own. (I don't think any of us are going to try to pocket carry a 1911 or a Glock 17.) I do same with shotgun the last round fired stays in the chamber. Place your loaded, chambered G19 into the holster (not attached to your belt). Weve beaten this dead horse enough. If you can have a momentary lapse of judgement handling a half million ft/lbs you could certainly have one while handling 350. Most cap and ball revolvers have carry notches between the nipple notches. to all you sanctimonious what iffers and self styled know it alls out there: I had the same concerns when I first started to carry my Glock. When you carry, do you keep it chambered or do you keep it unchambered so you'd have to actually chamber your gun when you need to use it? The Glock 43 is VERY close in size to the Glock 42, but chambered for that 9mm cartridge some people demand - or at least don't frown on like they do the .380ACP. Mar 8, 2017 (Edited by Moderator) The LCP II is just as safe to carry as any striker-fired gun on the market without a thumb safety, including every Glock and most M&P's etc. It may be injured or busy striking or holding back children, etc. . Seattle is like a miniature version from a driving perspective. Bear in mind that all Glock pistols are striker fired and are have no manual safeties. They're fun, handy, and can be very practical. Well saving room for some ice cream after dinner is a bit higher on my list than any damn LDL or HDL mumbo jumbo. My Ruger LCP is carried with one chambered, and in a pocket holster that covers the trigger. They will not fire unless someone puts their finger on the trigger and squeezes. I use either a DiSantis OWB when its jacket/coat weather or an Alien Gear 3.5 IWB when it Polo or T shirt weather. What youre proposing is more, Are glocks, or other strikers without safeties, truly safe?. Sub-one second times, under stress are the norm when properly trained. Ive carried in condition one for nearly 25 years. Long story short, I let it be known that I thought carrying with an empty chamber is a mistake. That makes a takeaway more likely to succeed if attempted. It's a mental block you will have to outgrow. Yet, most of us will also admit that we sometimes make mistakes while driving, despite all the practice/training. They ended up sticking to their story and making a big political deal out of it. Old model Ruger Blackhawks which have not been converted should be carried with the hammer down on an empty chamber, just like Colt SAAs and other vintage and replica SA revolvers. Someone who wants to spend a couple thou on a gun should be more than willing to put the energy into learning how to use it safely. Beyond being "The Original" Glock, which won the company favor with the Austrians then the world, the Glock G17 is arguably the most popular Glock pistol model on the planet.. I carry with one in the chamber but you choose not to. Correct. And I include all the copy cat weapons as well as they are as common as the common cold. The Glock series of semi-automatic pistols features Glock's Safe Action System and a loaded chamber indicator.The Safe Action System comprises three passive safeties. The Springfield Armory XD-E is a new hammer-fired compact pistol. This makes it about five ounces lighter than another popular 9mm Luger gun, the Glock 19. But that would mean giving up my beloved 1911! . The others can safely be carried with a round under the hammer, with little to no chance of firing if the hammer should be hit or snagged. I carry a single action 1911. ADs by glockinstine operators usually are extracting their golden goose with or wit out a pocket holster, by placing their finger, as so many comments referred to above, on the trigger upon extraction. Maybe you should just use a spork. A GLOCK does not have an external manual safety. It will go off. And, Mad, you really like those ad hominem attacks. When I carry a semiautomatic pistol for self defense, the chamber is loaded and the safety is on. It should stay the way it is. In fact, Ill prove it. Safe wise, I like the Homak #584 4 digit/code safe. or not. One other one was very tragic. The overall size of this firearm is much smaller and that shows with a barrel length of 3.43 inches and a slide length of 6.26 inches. One of the interesting things about that is I can (after clearing) dry fire repeatedly and get a rough visual about how much the aim point moves depending on my grip and finger position. Even though everyone who has ever used and examined a SA revolver can easily see that the firing pin is ALWAYS in contact with the primer when the hammer is down, if the chamber under it has a round in it? Just saying. There was also some discussion of Fairbairn and Sykes experience in the Shanghai police with what is commonly referred to as Israeli carry. There are some inherent problems there. I carry locked, loaded with a extra clip close by. You know, due to the stress of OH MY GOD SOMEONES BREAKING INTO THE HOUSE AND HES GOT A GUN! If I was gona carry an empty gun Id carry a full sized 1911, that way if I had to throw it at somebody it would weigh enough to hurt when it him them. Keep your finger off of it and your should be good to go. As long as you use some sort of holster that covers the trigger, and keep your finger out of the trigger area, leave the 19 in the holster, unless its needed, you wont have a problem. Glock 22 Gen 3 (Photo: Gunprime) The full-size Glock 22 was made to fill the gap between .45 and 9mm. The stone cold killer blows a hole in the braggarts forehead and his buddies stand there with their jaws agape while he starts shooting them. All it takes is knowing what the word; inertia means. If the trigger safety is not depressed, the trigger will not move rearwards and allow the pistol to fire. . Whats the controversy? I know some people , maybe most people , will be just fine carrying a Glock with a loaded chamber , but all the reasons people give for not are not 100% wrong either . They do have a half cock notch that you could use to carry on a loaded chamber, but theres a reason they say, Dont go off half-cocked. Ron DeSantis Says He Supports Adding Open Carry to Floridas Permitless Carry Bill, Defendant Agrees Appeals Court Should Uphold Injunction Blocking New Yorks Law Banning Carrying Guns in Sensitive Places, Judge Robert L. Miller: Its an Insult to the Founders to Assume They Didnt Expect Gun Control in Future Generations, https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-truth-about-6-5mm-ammo/, https://patents.google.com/patent/US5724759A/en, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p28yT3Z3oj8&t=7347s. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-leader-2','ezslot_6',115,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-2-0');All this comes from an old incident within the New York City Police Department. They said that it was the fault of Glocks having a super light trigger. But otherwise it still is a pretty good gunfight scene. What you are overlooking is the odds. More solid irrefutable proof that the Glock is an accident waiting to happen. And, sorry youre a confused fool. Does the gun have a external safety, or is it internal. I have no problem carrying chambered but around the house or at the park I do not. Bottom line: For *any* firearm, you have to *put your finger (or some other object) INTO the trigger guard to fire the weapon. In a holster made for the gun you carry, making sure its unobstructed is a quick check. Im so glad to have seen the one person who never makes a mistake! Apply the 21 foot rule with the holy glock with a round chambered (Im pretty sure that as I was at the Vatican admiring Michelangelos ceiling, it was definitely a glock God was passing to Adam in the famous reclining scene), I bet you you will still lose just as badly. Go. So F_____g what? My God, WTF is wrong with people who bash others for simply doing what they choose to do? If you want a single action trigger pull, either carry a SAO autoloader in condition one, or choose a hammer fired model that one can manipulate its condition at will. 4) In such a rush and excitement even in a holster such as the case in Florida the police officer shot himself and the wall in a school and was clearly not in fear or stressed, so in all counts safety and training cause in the heat of the moment you may grab fast and shoot yourself. Perhaps if someone drops their gun from two stories up and it lands muzzle down on somebodys head? So the only downside of the top chamber being empty is one less round available before reloading. Well, technically, you could also just not drop them I suppose. One of them is as you describe (a 3-screw Single Six). Modern revolvers with some sort of disconnect can be carried full up. Old school, extract, thumb, trigger finger, rinse n repeat often until autopilot takes over. When she holstered her Glock .40 it went off and the bullet went down her leg utterly destroying it. People are going to make mistakes but when you design a tool as unsafe as the Glock its not a maybe they will have an accidental discharge its a fking fact that sooner or later they will. Good luck!!!!! I dont have to hit a bypass cause its cocked, or turn off a safety, just pump and fire. For myself I carry an HK P30sk with the double action hammer in the down position and the manual safety on. Folks, a GLOCK (or any other striker-fired pistol) is perfectly safe with a little intelligence combined with a bit of assiduity. Unlikely. Thanks for the tip. Im a mommy-frelling ballerina with a pickem up truck towing. See? sanctimonious what iffers The innovative design of the hybrid steel-polymer slide chambered in our first .22 caliber round provides a lightweight and low recoil functionality for optimal control. It has good stopping power and it only slightly has more recoil . There are advertisements for trigger jobs on striker fired guns to make them with an even less pull weight!! Jordan Buck is an outdoor writer, a man of faith, and a family man. Older single action revolvers or those still manufactured without a hammer block/transfer bar are theoretically more prone to discharge back in the day when you ride a horse as the drop from that position could allow the pistol to rotate muzzle up when it lands. Kathy Jackson suggests that doing this safely comes down to two things, equipment and habits. Agreed. I would like to carry at the ready, but doing so really gives me the heebie-jeebies. Its kind of unneeded though, because inertial firing pins can only build firing inertia on their own if the whole gun accelerates, and then stops suddenly. Dani: In the case of an inertial firing pin, nothing but a physical block on the firing pin itself will have the slightest effect. Of course an ND is user error, but why is the gun designed to make that error likely? It could easily tuck into a nightstand safe or tossed into a range bag. I carry "Mexican" and don't want to end up like Plaxico Burress. If I feel the urge to admire, use and hold a finely engineered machine I might just as likely pull out and ogle any one of my watches, of my bicycles, of my cars, of my surgical instruments, of my fountain pens or of my firearms. Do you, punk? The Glock take down system is an accident waiting to happen and happen it does all the time. . With only six on tap anyway, whats one less? Perfect for everyday carry, the compact Glock 43 is a popular concealed carry option chambered in 9mm. Other sites have no problem getting notifications to work NOW. . Width: 1.18. Yeah, me too. Unchambered carry is a bad idea because: * So when do you get to be a klutz if youve taken the time to train those reactions until as the experts say you not only get it right, you cant get it wrong? Me personally I carry a snap cap in the chamber, so if some lucky bastard grabs my gun and shoots hes about to be dead. It is also popular for law enforcement and for use as a backup weapon. Modern shooter often often dont want to fiddle with something complex. The graveyards are full of former motorcycle riders and Glock users. Lets face cold hard facts the more chances you take the more likely you will run out of luck, usually much sooner than later. I left it in my series 80, but a gunsmith can easily remove it if desired. Use whatever gun you want. Therefore, its unsafe(ish) to carry or store with one in the chamber. If my gun lands at my childs feet, an empty chamber leaves plenty of time to prevent a tragedy, but a chambered striker-fired gun may not. At Incognito Concealment, we're confident we have the right holster for you. In non service activities, all occurred either nearly cheek to cheek, face to face, or less than 3 ft. when chit went south, and it happens so fast, Id bet few if any pro operators could rack then stack em Glocks are designed with internal safety features to prevent accidental discharge. Keep your booger hook off the bang switch, use a good holster . (Take that, NYPD!) 2 you may forget to chamber Ive committed all those errors and I grew from them. . You do what you gotta do or are allowed to do. The name's Jordan, but friends call me Jordy. And I dont want to have to think about anything. 21 foot rule gets those people every time. Pretty soon, it became standard for guns to have a manual safety switch. I wonder how it avoids the googlebots? Open range is a good movie and as far as the other guys standing there in real life its called shock value I did love the the fact Costners six shooter magically self loaded. Thats a bunch of bologna written by writers who know nothing about guns. Its your right to self defense. In a way, the GLOCK trigger is similar to a double action revolver trigger. Risk vs benefit should ALWAYS be a part of this decision. Congratulations. I think I can answer that one. If my chamber is empty, I obviously increase the chances that my gun wont be useful when needed, but I also reduce the chance of a ND caused by a minor in my care. Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered. A great capability, because a dud round will usually fire upon a second strike, and your finger is going to automatically do that anyway. This means that if the hammer is carried down on a live round, the firing pin will still not be able to touch the primer, even though the hammer is sitting right down on the pin. Glock claims that this translates into longer pistol longevity as well as better accuracy overall. OFC, in an experiment such as DGs above, we have to have that case in some sort of chamber, to hold the round in perfect position in line with the front of the firing pin while some other device provides the inertia to fire. Five years ago I reviewed the Glock 43, the second pistol in Glock's "Slimline" series of thin grip pistols. Please note Im not saying glock = bad. But its hard to imagine a situation where a dropped gun firing into the ground could be a danger. You can get a lockbox for $50 or less from Amazon or from most hardware stores. Im still getting comfortable with carrying, and Ill take an unchambered gun over one at home in the safe any day. In addition to this, some manufacturers have added manual lever safeties to their firearms and XDS has the grip safety as well. Hmaag [CC BY-SA 3.0], via Wikimedia CommonsTodays revolvers have a flat hammer. Go peddle your homosexual fantasies elsewhere. Which gets me to this. Call us at (586) 333-4240, and we'll guide you through the process of choosing a holster to suit your needs. I dont understand why anyone who carries a modern firearm is afraid to carry a round in the chamber??? My three-year-old knows that for her bb gun. And its nowhere near so light a trigger pull that you could just bump it and it fires. Furthermore, every person I know or have talked to who does have a single-action revolver Rough Rider, Blackhawk or a replica has other guns that they use for those roles. But how often are you a klutz when handling or holstering your firearm? Heres a news flash, ever since Adam and Eve ate the serpents apple were all fallible. In the absence of further information, which is never forthcoming, the logical conclusion is: They dont want to fix it. Widen your horizons. Carrying a single-action pistol cocked-and-locked is far and away the best method of carry. Didnt check that the gun was clear. Mad about covers it. Its common for someone to quickly raise a gun and try to shoot, just to realize the safety was in the on position keeping it from working. Because there are a lot of areas where carrying a firearm will bite you if you cant get it right. Is it just something one has to get used to? you roll the dice. I carried a 1911 for awhile and the duty holsters made for 1911s have the retaining strap that goes across the back of slide, which also blocks the hammer from firing pin. Uberti, for instance, makes some models with a transfer bar safety and also a few with a floating firing pin, which drops below the channel to the primer when the hammer is fully forward and can thus be carried fully loaded. But Knute is fine, and nobody else seems to want it. If youre going to do something like defend yourself with a firearm. Second, they also trained. The reason was that there wasnt anything between the hammer and either the nipple or the primer of the cartridge. Running this way I am even more vigilant about how I handle the gun. I put into the chamber a primed case w/o powder or bullet. Not the first time I have seen you feed the gun grabbers agenda either.

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